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All Hail Cesar

While I have been pretty lucky in mostly responding to cool guys, there have been a few instances where people are just plain kooky. Case in point: Cesar here. He wrote a not particularly nice response to my ad, but it made sense... So, I responded. Here's a series of e-mails between Cesar and moi. It was guys like this that made me realize that not writing back to everyone, and trusting your gut instinct, is a good thing.

Sat, 21 Aug 1999
Subject: I read your ad...
In response to: Wit and Sarcasm Out The Wazoo

But you know, I'm so tired of reading all these corny ads from women like you. What do you mean with "I want inteligent conversation OR I won't respond"???? SO WHAT if you don't respond!!! How "inteligent" does a simple conversation has to be???? WHAT, you want to chat about Einstein's theory of relativity? Charles Darwin thearoy of Evolution????? What happened to simple, down to earth chat...small talk...besides, it's difficult to have a FULL "conversation" through a computer. I'm not answering your ad because I'm interested in hearing from you(I know if I had ATTEMPTED to write you, because you are attractive, you would've deleted it without a courteous "no thankyou"). I'm writing you just to share a comment and NOT to insult you. To share a FACT.

Good luck finding inteligent conversation:)

Cesar

Fritz: I like how he slams your ad, and then towards the bottom he sucks up by saying you're attractive and how he's "NOT insulting you". It's almost like he's covering his butt just incase you were to write to him. I bet he freaked when you did reply!

Lorina's Response:
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: I read your ad...

Hi Cesar,

Well, you're getting a response anyway, so there! :P

Actually, you made a good point -- the conversation can be as stupid as Beavis and Butthead (who I love!), but it has to be with an intelligent person to be enjoyable. There's really nothing more satisfying than a good funny silly chat about all kinds of absurdities. And nothing more boring than listening to someone who thinks of him- or herself as intelligent prattle on endlessly -- oops, I'm doing that now, aren't I? Sorry! :) So, how this instead: Did you ever see the movies Poltergeist? That medium (the one who says "Cross over children -- all welcome... etc.") really freaked me out. Not because the movie was scary, but because she was short and fat. She was a small, large medium. (Yeah, it's stupid, so what.)

Now, your response was interesting, and it caught my attention. Plus, you don't want me to write back, and I like to be annoying! But what I really can't stand is stuff like this:

"hi can we talk???????? email me IM 35 5'6' 155lbs photographer in nyc into art,culture,food,talking....regards xxxxx"

I mean, why should I reply? He doesn't tell me anything about himself, and doesn't let any of his personality show in his response. I really am less interested in his height and weight and occupation than his personality. In fact, the coolest person I have ever met through these things didn't tell me anything at all about himself in the initial e-mail, but it was obvious that he had wit and personality out the wazoo. But this guy doesn't even use complete sentences. And I'm not picking on this guy -- I just randomly pulled something out of the old inbox.

I guess "intelligence" is a meaningless phrase anyway -- have you ever met someone who said, "Yep, I'm stupid!" Everyone thinks of themselves as intelligent. Alas, a good number of them cannot spell it. I'd like to compile a list of all the different variations I received. I'm a lousy speller and typist myself, but I just think "intelligent" is an ironic word to misspell. But it really makes me worry, because I think of myself as intelligent, and sometimes I wonder... LOL!

By the way, this really seems to surprise guys when I tell them this, but this ad has received 337 responses. I have probably responded to less than 15 of them.

I will take your thoughts into consideration. Thanks for making your point known.

Lorina

ps... So, E=MC2 -- what do you think about that!? LOL!

Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999
Subject: I can be annoying too...

Hi I'm Cesar, military guy and post office worker. I'm 5'10, 190 pounds, medium build and TOO good looking for you, and I like movies, museums and dancing all night. If you wanna chat, please email me back! Bye! You're a hot momma! Hope to hear from you

Best Wishes, Cesar

ps:Actually, please don't....I just wanted to annoy you with the same responces you're use to getting:) I'm not SURPRISED you have had 300+ responces. I'm surprised it hasn't been a 1000. I BET 90% of them have been perves, right? That example you gave me did not sound bad to me. The guy doesn't know you. What else is he gonna dish out at you other than..."The weather is nice over in NJ and I like South Park." Believe me, I've tried. I'm a veteran at this. I've B.S.'ed enough to know. I'm a wounded veteran at answering personals. I got a purple heart that shows the MANY times I have not recieved ANY responces back!!!! Yes, I'm bitter and cynical of ALL woman...on the net, that is. I've written my heart out to women on these ads toooo many times and I still do it sometimes when I'm bored. SO THERE!

Lorina's Response:
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: I can be annoying too...

Well, Cesar,

Yeah, you're getting another response from me... Not that you give a rat's butt, but if you want replies to your responses...

Here's what was wrong with the example I sent: The guy showed no sign of having a personality. I like conversations, and I think I gave plenty of material in my ad that someone should be able to pick a topic and run with it. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that guy, but he just doesn't SEEM like someone who could keep up his end of a conversation. The things he told me could have been taken right off his driver's license. What else could he have dished out? Well, ANYTHING! Tell a story... tell the things that set him apart... make me laugh... Perhaps I'm a bit of a snob or something, but I KNOW I've got a lot going for me, and I'm a very interesting complex person. I should be fussy and particular. Everyone should be. I used to reply to every response my ad received... and I found that the people who seem boring from the start usually stay that way. And worse yet, there are plenty of weird people out there who think you're in some kind of a relationship after 2 or 3 e-mails and get upset if I don't write every day or if I discontinue writing them.

Actually, I've received very few perverted responses... I actually find it quite amusing that there's a person (or two... or ten) out there so pathetic that he gets his jollies writing a dirty e-mail. I usually forward them to my friends, so we can all get a chuckle out of them.

But enough about me... You say you've poured your heart out? Wrong answer. Don't do that. It's unnerving. The last thing you want to project is that you're a bitter, cynical person whose desperate and lonely. Heartfelt talks should be reserved until you get to know someone. Keep things light and upbeat. Have fun with it. Pick something about what the woman says in her ad and talk about that. Talk about the things you like to do. You have to write something that will set you apart from the rest. Play off your interesting name... Start an e-mail "Friends, Romans, Web Surfers, lend me your ears..." (Yeah, I know that's "Caesar", but close enough. I make Lorena Bobbitt references all the time... probably scares the hell outta guys, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.) The WORST thing you can do when answering a personals ad is to send a form letter. I want proof that whoever is writing to me actually read my ad and thought about what to say to me, not just... "Well, here's a girl with a picture, and she's not bad looking... I'll send her my typical reply." That's just like a lame pickup line. And run spell check. I know most people are lousy at spelling. I know I am. But it never hurts to be accurate.

And don't take it personally if someone doesn't write back. That's silly... That's like girls who meet guys at a club and get upset if they don't call. Only they have more reason to be upset because the guy SAID he'd call. It's a slot machine. Sometimes you hit a jackpot, but more often than not you don't.

I'm being serious here... If you want an inside look into the mind of a woman, feel free to pick my brain.

Lorina

Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999
Subject: another email?

Right now, I'm reading your email..and yes, I have mixed reaction...with some cynicism mixed with it. Because under "normal" circumstances you wouldn't have written me back. I mean "normal" with if I had responded to your email because I was interested in you and you writing back to "talk". The only reason you're writing is because (whether you agree with me or not) I brought up a point of view that seems to hit home. Not a big deal point of view, but a point of view.

Besides, no offence, I don't think it's fair for me to 'open up' and "pick your brain" (as you put it) because you're finding errors in my responces to women's ads, for your joy.

Why don't you pick my brain and ask me questions about men...oh, I forgot, you probably don't write to men, you wait for them to write you first.

Look, I've tried everything...I've described my interest, things I'd like to do in the summer, I even tell them my nationality to "add" spice to it(yeah right), I tell them about my pups, movies...girls are just to picky...and they usually only seek professionals. Not that I'm not a professional...YET:) But, it makes me feel hopeless. I tell them I like working out, I'm in the army. I figure throwing in the army thing might pump some interest....NADA:) I tell them I'm down to earth, easy going, layed back...NADA:) What I don't do is pick a topic and talk about it randomly. What I DO do is look at their ad and pick something from it and "go with it", as you put it. I do these things.

You know, I'm not too bitter...heh...but I find it fun still to at least LOOK at the new ads coming in...I ONLY look at ads with photos, in the tri-state area only.

Now you see? I told (warned) you not to write back...I'm only going to 'use' you to vent my cynicism with. I'll feel bad later though.

Do you have any hangups about men? How much do you depend on the personals to meet someone?

Cesar


Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999
Subject: one more point

I mentioned before that I only look at ads with photos BUT I always read the ad! To be honest, usually 2 or 3 times. (especially if she's cute...I have to be honest). And IF she writes back...I read it again. Just to 'know' the person. So...see? Sometimes I think those ads and photos are fake...they're just posted there just so they can have Hotmail members. I mean, how BAD is my responce that I never recieve anything??? (am I sounding psycho?) I once wrote 10 or 15 responces to ads....I got ZILCH. I have reasons to be bitter.

It's PETTY to be bitter towards the computer...but, I feel jipped. Electronic meeting just doesn't work. I'm going to start a campaign against computer personals....

like that's going to put a dent in Bill Gate's wallet.

Cesar

Lorina's Response:
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: one more point

Hi Cesar,

You're right again... I don't know if I'd be writing to you under normal circumstances. I have a great big pile of e-mails I haven't responded to. But I'll let you in on a little secret. Most women suck. Yeah, I'm a woman, and I think most women are really stupid, shallow people. More so than men, but God knows there's lots of stupid men out there too... just plain stupid people. But why do I not have a sisterly bond with women? Because women don't like me and never have. I've always had more male friends than female friends... Way back in high school it was the girls that made my life miserable. A lot of women, especially attractive ones, are cruel, unthinking, uncaring people. They think just because they are pretty or whatever they don't have to develop personalities. (I grew up thinking I was downright homely until the age of about 18.) I guess I'm a member of the He-man Woman Haters Club.

I haven't a clue what makes most other women tick... I know what works for me, and for those few women that think the way I think. I don't "go" for the professional type guys necessarily. When someone writes me an ad saying they're a doctor or a lawyer... I dont' think I've written back to one of them. (And there is NO WAY I'd write to the gynocologist... that's just too icky!) I don't like braggarts (but I like a healthy ego) who think they're income makes them special.

By the way, I have written to men, with varying degrees of success. One I dated for about a month. Others I have been pen pals with for several months (they live kinda far away, so actually meeting them would be difficult.) I've written to quite a few who never responded. Right now, I'm sort of dating a guy who wrote to my ad... not serious steady dating, but it's fun. I don't rely on this heavily as a way of meeting people, I just did it on a lark when things got slow at work, and since I've met some neat people, I did it a few times.

Another thing... a lot of ads by women are fronts for 1-900 lines and pay websites.

There's a lot more men online than women. Of my friends, almost every guy I know is online, and only TWO of my girl friends are. One male friend and I placed ads on the same day. He was a good looking guy, good ad, with a photo. A few days later, when we talked, he had received 3 responses to his ad, I had 70.

If you want to vent, go right ahead. Like I said, I have a number of male friends, and four brothers. I've heard it all before.

Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: one more point

Hello Lorina,

I find it strange but not wierd that you get along with men better. I once in awhile meet those kind of women that tell me they have more male friends than women friends. I've always wondered about that, why? I guess woman are jealous of you or you just distance yourself from women. I knew 2 girls who I never spoke with but I would see them from a distance at my job. They seemed to be the BEST of friends. Always hanging together, laughing together, flirting with the men at the job together, until one day they both transferred to a different locations. The last I heard of them was that they got into a MAJOR cat fight with each other at a club over a man they were both sleeping with. Not to be mean, but I WAS amused by that and I wish I had been there to see it. I heard it was ripping clothes, claws and everything. My point being is that I think women really hate each other, and they just play the "role" of getting along to achieve a common goal. MEN, Jobs..etc. I dislike fake smiles and laughs from people in general. Anyway, that's what I think for SOME women, not all. Others get along better than they would with other men. *SHRUG* But it's cool you get along better with men, maybe having so many brothers help. I have 2 sisters...but it doesn't help:)

Somewhere along the line, I had updated my ad, changing the picture and adding a bit about how sometimes stupid conversation is fun too. Then I got this response from our good buddy Cesar.

Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999
Subject: You're so Amusing...

I like the 'new' pic you posted on your ad. It shows you at a different angle. It's amusing, that when I was asking you NOT to write me, you wrote me anyway to "annoy" me. Now that I wasn't requesting it you stopped writing. What? My last email wasn't "inteligent" enough for you?? Or thought provoking, Ms. Smarty Pants who claims to have more male friends than females?? (by the way, I don't care if I spelled inteligent wrong). Typical woman! (Hmmm, perhaps typical person...anybody can do that) By the way, there's nothing wrong with 'rain drops on roses' or 'walks on the beach.' You are NOT romantic! I hope you can live with yourself...I sure couldn't.

love, Cesar



Lorina's Response:
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: You're so Amusing...

Cesar,

I was going to respond to you. I didn't realize there was a time limit on it. I was out of town for a few days. I didn't realize I had to inform you of my vacation plans. You are an ill-tempered person. I can see why you are alone.

Lorina

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999
Subject: Re: You're so Amusing...

YES, you must keep me posted on your whereabouts and your vacation plans. It makes sense (at least the voices in my head think so).

And NO, I'm not alone. I never told you I was alone. Just because I don't have a 'girlfriend' does not mean I'm alone...get my meaning? heh:)

And Yes, I can be ill-tempered, at least moody at times. I'm MORE complex than you:) Well, at least I got you to write me:) Take care and good luck in your search. Adios.

Cesar



I kinda wanted to retort to this, in particular saying something about his right hand keeping him company, but he would have said yet again that "I got you to write me." I didn't want to give the bitter psychopath the pleasure. So I just applied good old mail-block. What an asshole!

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